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RenOS's avatar

This is a nice demonstration about the pitfalls of self-scoring. One of the biggest issues in the contemporary mainstream left (just as most hegemonic worldviews beforehand) is the "I'm in favor of everything good, and against everything bad" pretense, never considering or even admitting the existence of trade-offs.

For a simple example, imagine one person saying they're strongly against lying, but then in practice they hard censor everything but the consensus, since obviously consensus=truth so saying anything else is lying.

And then another person saying lying isn't THAT bad, but in practice this just means they allow open discourse and truth-finding (which requires not punishing people who write false things too harshly).

In general imo this kind of study shows us that the current left thinks that they're better people, not that they actually are. And we already knew that. For another real but slightly off-topic example of this kind of arrogance in the college-educated: https://www.themotte.org/post/1189/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/256018?context=8#context

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I think the type of lie matters. I consider myself heterodox, although I will admit to a certain degree of anti-ideology animosity. A more nuanced question might be something along the lines of 'are you willing to tolerate lying in your political leaders if it furthers the cause of your political tribe'. One would expect to see more positives in the partisan camps.

However, there is an element of structural asymmetry to the question itself- conservatives are generally reactionary and are defined by opposition. The Left actually believes in government as a positive force. Sure, it can be- but is generally not, especially in terms of execution. The key understanding is that the most benignly positive forces for any society are generally ground-up rather than top-down. William Easterly demonstrated just how disastrous top-down technocratic influence can be in his book The Tyranny of Experts. It's not an exaggeration to state that the research shows that the history of foreign aid in Africa is one which at best achieved absolutely no remediation of poverty and at worst was a positively harmful force in preventing populations from dispensing with bad leadership and institutions.

The Western decline is driven by the same force. There's some nuance to it- experts are a lot more useful in closed systems, but generally their attempts at 'help' through interventions is almost always harmful.

Anyway, I asked Grok and other AIs to find examples of where cost cutting by DOGE had led to the ending of actual poverty programs and, with the exception of a disruption of FEWS NET, no evidence was forthcoming.

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