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Part of why I became a hereditarian is not just reading arguments in favor of it but also reading rebuttals like this that lack any sort of coherent worldview. They say you are "purporting to find biological evidence for differences in intelligence between races, ranking ethnicities by I.Q. scores and suggesting Black people earn less because they are not very smart," implying but not clearly stating that these are untrue. Are they saying there are IQ differences between races, or that there aren't? If there aren't and you were just making it up, then why would you need access to the data in the first place? If there are, then isn't that interesting and important even if you believe the cause is environmental? We see black people earn less money on average. If you truly believe the cause of that is racism, then isn't it important to know whether this gap disappears once you control for IQ? A model of racism where intelligent black people are irrationally discriminated against is different from one in which black people's intellectual development is stunted due to some sort of effect of racism growing up. They are very different problems that would require very different solutions. If you really believe the environment is to blame, then wouldn't be important to understand that?

Some of you might say that the authors actually believe there are genetic differences in intelligence and that they are just lying about it, but I don't think that's true. If that were the case, then why even write an article like this in the first place, providing examples of hereditarian claims and a reading list of authors who will provide more information? If you wanted to cover it up, you'd just avoid talking about the topic.

It really just reminds me of arguing with a religious person. The belief is based on emotion and faith rather than evidence, and all evidence will be reinterpreted around that axiomatic dogma. Any dissent is heresy that must be decried. This way of thinking has never made sense to me, which I think is why I've been able to change my mind and become an atheist and later a hereditarian. I think I must just have low frequencies of whatever genes predispose someone to religiosity.

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I read the NYT article and kept thinking about two things while reading.

1) The Bell Curve and Charles Murray. The article didn't mention him.

2) Crime stats by race and ethnicity and how they will try to hide it.

Neither topic came up. I understand that crime stats might be a tangent, but not mentioning The Bell Curve while writing about race and IQ is just sloppy.

With Trump as president, there is less incentive to hide crime statistics by race now. But this may change if the next US president is a democrat.

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