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Iran possibly experiences what India experiences, in that the masses aren't that smart and international tests (PISA, etc) don't show a small fraction of their young students doing really well either, even though a lot of their people have risen to prominence in science.

If you look at the field of AI, people with undergrad degrees from Iranian universities are well represented among top AI scientists: https://macropolo.org/digital-projects/the-global-ai-talent-tracker/

And Iranian people's participation in AI research is very overrepresented for Asian countries, with Iran producing more top (0.5%) researchers than South Korea: https://macropolo.org/digital-projects/the-global-ai-talent-tracker/asian-ai-researchers/

Successful Iranian AI scientists isn't similar to Olympiads since the government has no role in organising their careers, and they're mostly people that left Iran to work in western countries. I would also add there are many AI scientists of Iranian origin that aren't classified as Iranian because they left Iran when young and didn't study in Iranian universities, e.g. Zoubin Ghahramani and Ali Ghodsi.

Another interesting thing is there are two Iranian mathematicians who received the Fields Medal, the highest mathematics award.

I'm half Iranian myself, and tbh when I think about it I'm not that surprised Iran has a low average IQ. It's a huge country with huge diversity. Parts of the country are very modern, but large parts are also very backwards. Iranians that find it impossible for Iran to have an IQ in the 80s react that way because they only mix with a certain type of Iranian in the diaspora rather than farmers in Khorasan. HOWEVER I do think there's a substantial number of Iranians that have IQs of at least 100, and I wouldn't be surprised if Iran's pool of very smart people is larger than in neighbouring countries, even if they don't appear in data from PISA. How could there not be given the amount of young prominent scientists coming out of Iran? Not scientific and totally anecdotal, but I've had many good experiences in Iran too.

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" It does only slightly better as a country, overall, than one would expect from the estimated average intelligence of the people. Iran doesn't have a communist economy, but is suffering from an Islamic dictatorship, and is under various USA-related sanctions. Despite these problems, Iran appears to be doing about as well as one would expect based on the intelligence of its people. The level of development of the country, therefore, doesn't provide any reason to doubt the estimates of average intelligence."

Wouldn't that suggest though that IQ is slightly underestimated? Given those headwinds (Islamic dictatorship and sanctions), we should expect the country to somewhat underperform its average IQ. If it overperforms it slightly instead, that's at least suggestive of a wrong assumption. Right?

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