Anecdata but the first americans I heard complaining about indians were leftists from the tech industry who had to deal with indian nepotism and fake credentials.
That was my first experience as well, dealing with Indian ERP system consultants. It hasn't gotten better in the past few decades, and the general feeling is that Indians (first generation at least) will be nice people and talk a lot, but not get the job done.
Same here, in my old company I actually applied for a number, and succeeded for two H1B Indian software developers, because in late 1990s it was 'known' that they are often exceptional. Well, they were very convincing on interviews, and then succeeded in disappointing with their performance and abilities compared to American hires, and general tendency to deceive in many small ways. For example, one of them asking for special very early hours when he was found often sleeping on his desk or doing some unrelated coding; later it was found that he had another job in the evenings. They were both paid about >=$100K which was high in middle America at the time. Both were fired a few years later. Taught a lesson not to look for H1B anymore.
Also anecdotal, but same. I work in tech, and when I first heard people complaining offline about Indians as a group, it was progressives working in tech. And, no, it wasn't really "for ostensibly different reasons". But I get why Emil would write that looking in from the outside.
This is not why there's been a surge of anti-India posts & commentary. Without getting into other anti-social behavior (and the avarice of big corporations committing fraud to import cheap labor), it's because South-Asians are overwhelmingly faithful not to party, country, or America, but their co-ethnics, and ONLY their co-ethnics.
White Americans would 100% do the same, in fact they regularly do. You remember when Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people and wounded a third, at a BLM protest and was celebrated for it by the right. Or when George Zimmerman killed an unarmed 17 year old and supporters gave him 400.000$ for his legal Defense, or what about Dylan Roof who killed 9 people at a black church in Charleston and received Letters and money from admirers.
And by the way anyone could sign or open this petition, you don't have any proof that these people actually are indians.
Rittenhouse was attacked with a deadly weapon and defended himself. Zimmerman (who incidentally wasn't white) was also attacked and being beaten when he defended himself.
AFA Roof is concerned, what's with this "whataboutism"? Is bad behavior supposed to excuse more bad behavior?
Do you really think this is going to sway anyone with an IQ over 80?
Diaspora politics is what happens in the background, what the media labels as aid packages in the billions: yes, USD is freely flowing from individual accounts as remittances to fund campaigns in their respective home-states, but the government aggregates data and states 50B has been paid out to so and so nation-state.
Check more. Those signing this petition are Khalistanis. Khalistanis are Sikhs, a radical jehadi like terrorist group, who hate India and want to scede. Overwhelming majority of Indians don't defend criminals. This illegal was a Khalistani who had filed for asylum under the pretext of persecution.
Read autonomous Truck(er)s, who uses police reports, factual data to point out that Sikhs are largely involved in the contraband trucking industry. Or Vancouver, where assault rifles at weddings are commonplace and where Sikhs own Surrey and ignore building codes, government, everyone, where there's gunfire in the street.
Check more. Those signing this petition are Khalistanis. Khalistanis are Sikhs, a radical jehadi like terrorist group, who hate India and want to scede. Overwhelming majority of Indians don't defend criminals. This illegal was a Khalistani who had filed for asylum under the pretext of persecution.
Check more. Those signing this petition are Khalistanis. Khalistanis are Sikhs, a radical jehadi like terrorist group, who hate India and want to scede. Overwhelming majority of Indians don't defend criminals. This illegal was a Khalistani who had filed for asylum under the pretext of persecution.
I think you are generally right on the "Indians lean heavily left, so Americans who lean heavily right dislike them" aspect. I do however think it is a mistake to think that is the fundamental level, as opposed to the cultural tendencies that make Indians look at the Democratic party and say "I am with them." People are not generally assigned party affiliations randomly, so if a group is heavily favoring one party it is because they are fairly well aligned with that party's platform or social tendencies.
I think many people have identified in the comments here examples of that:
-Group identity is of primary importance
-A focus on credentialism, with the understanding that making them up is fine
-A technocratic bent
-Less focus on doing what is right compared to what one can get away with (roughly corruption and acceptance or approval of corruption)
-High levels of hierarchical power (this is something less of a D/R split as a Democrat/Libertarian split)
I didn't know the political leanings of Indians as a group until just now (never really thought about it) but working with many, both in the US an India, for many years, there are definitely a specific list of behaviors and tendencies that people complain about, and those are generally the ones one would associate with large bureaucracies and government workers/officials. In retrospect it doesn't surprise me that Indians would favor the Democrats (although on some social issues there must be real friction).
Indians have the negatives of East Asians without the positives.
And the negatives of Arabs without (I don't know what positives, there probably are some, ask T.E. Lawrence).
Their small numbers have allowed them to float below the radar, but in societies with a lot of them the backlash is clear (the rest of the anglosphere is done with them).
Every person is different. Everyone changes throughout their lives. And you're also wrong about the anglosphere being done with them. Check out the immigration stats to Canada. You don't think much.
I can assure you that Indians are 10x more likely to hire other Indians than an American - in America. There are plenty of groups at Fortune 500 companies made 100% of Indians. And they do discriminate against 2nd gen Indians too. “Indians only hire Indians” is a very well known motto in the banking industry.
Western countries that have/have had Indian heritage people in prominent political positions reveals the scale of their ethnic chauvinism. Canada will continue to receive very high numbers of south Asian immigrants, the UK who had Hindu Rishi Sunak as their PM used Brexit to hugely increase Indian immigration, while Ireland who had half Indian homosexual Leo Varadkar as "Taoiseach"( PM )is receiving 10s of thousands of Indians annually with family reunifications swelling the numbers who all get employment, health, housing and education priority over the Irish born. Newly built housing being purchased en masse right across the country.
They are pro immigration of all types of black and browns too so reducing the %of whites in their new country. Their hangup over being colonised by the British Empire runs very deep.
Of course they aren't the drain on western economies the way blacks, Hispanics and Muslims tend to be. Probably the most pro Jewish immigrant cohort too while being anti white. They're beginning to sound like the perfect citizens of western nations.
FBI Director General Kash Patel is partnered to a Jewish woman, vice president JD Vance has 3 children with a Hindu Indian woman.
Perhaps an argument then for, "good borders make for good neighbours" national and ethnically homogeneous countries seem to suffer far less internal discontent and criminality than diverse ones do. They can probably communicate, cooperate, and settle their differences more easily and swiftly due to shared beliefs, cultures, values, traditions, etc, "Like seeks like after all", making for common ground and cause. As in all things there will be exceptions.
"In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion."
"One point that doesn’t really get discussed in relation to “high skilled immigrant success stories” in America is that nearly every middle+ class immigrant family in the last 60 years committed fraud to game the higher ed financial aid system, while nearly every middle class American family dutifully reported their assets and dutifully got r*ped either by the tuition itself or by the debt their children took on.
This is basically an orphan issue because the left thinks all immigrants are angels and the right thinks no one should have to pay outrageous uni tuitions, but the upshot is that for 60 years immigrants have been coached by their friends to keep much of their net worth as practical in cash (like literally, stuffed in deposit boxes) or overseas assets so that they can qualify for $20k-$40k financial aid per year of undergrad and then, in many cases, professional school. Meanwhile if your family has been here 200 or 300 years, even colleges with good financial aid expect you to pay at least 1/4 of your net worth per year. The net result is that decades years later the wealth immigrants saved by coolly defrauding universities has compounded to $500k-$1m per kid, and those kids are lecturing the white Americans who actually paid for the educations of both families about hard work, saving, and building for the future."
You cannot have a culture or civilisation without ethnic homogeniety in the first place. For evolutionary reasons humans have evolved to live in close kinship communities of around 100-150, or so. Trust and competition is a big issue within such communities, let alone with out groups who are by and large competitors, or are often considered so and for good reasons. Shared beliefs (religiosity), enable, encourage and in time instill trust, mutual cooperation, and reciprocal behaviours to develop and flourish within and between ethnical homogenous communities. Which then enable such communities the possibility of forming similar relationships with other ethnically similar out groups or communities. In time other ethnicities may be included, but on an individual and micro-social basis, through inter-marriage, which then becomes intramarriage. Which helps the growth, continuation, and expansion of the national identity and helps the Nation and State created out of the shared identity to grow further and flourish.
Like seeks like after all. Without trust and reciprocity there can be no micro, or macrosocial identities and the cultures, societies and civilisations that develop from such. All nations seem to have such roots. These roots and bonds are now being severed by diversity. The high openness, high trust, high specialisation and technology societies can only develop and exist within such homogenous nations with strong shared beliefs, traditions, taboos and identities. The benefits of such abound and are clear to see. Though like everything else, "the ties that bind" are and have been severed for the most part by diversity and globalisation. Ethnically homogenous Nations colonise, develop and protect geographical locations and their resources, which they use to develop and expand. If there is no trust there can be no reciprocity, nor anything else that extends from such.
I don't know if he's pro-indian in rhetoric, but he's not pro-india in rhetoric. He publicly and explicitly attacked India for buying billions in Russian oil each year and threatened tarriffs on India for doing so.
H1B visas are screwing up.the labor marketing, it's pretty simple. And understandable: youngrow up.in à country, there are X number of jobs in a field, you go into.it, and oh sorry suddenly you're in line behind all these people who come out of nowhere and drive down thé wages.
Much of the supposed "positive" aspects of Indian Americans are significantly bogus.
In many industries, especially tech, there is enormous familial/ethnic nepotism, fake degrees, fake/exaggerated experience. Oh, and not only do they discriminate against non-Indians in a way that would be illegal for whites to discriminate against non-whites, they even discriminate against different types of Indians. Don't believe me? It is so serious that a bill was passed in california specifically to outlaw 'caste discrimination' (the bill was ultimately vetoed by Newsom saying existing laws already covered it). Truly wonderful people who definitely deserve to be defended by "anti-racist" twitter douchebags and who definitely don't deserve to have anyone dislike them.
They're praised for their 'small business ownership', especially things like hotels, and anyone who doesn't praise this gets calls jealous and resentful.
What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that these people literally qualify for 'minority' small business loans. That is, money is taken from white people and given extremely cheaply (or essentially for free) to Indians so they can buy up small businesses. Then people praise them for their ownership of these small businesses and tell white people who complain they should have just worked hard like these wonderful Indians.
And of course, many (if not most) of these Indian owned small business are dominated by familial and ethnic nepotism to the point that their profitability depends on it.
Crucially, in addition to white men not being eligible for these loans, it would literally be illegal for white people to engage in this kind of nepotism. If a the white owner of a hotel chain hired only his white friends and relatives or (for large organizations) basically only only hired white people, they would literally be in violation of the law and would be destroyed with lawsuits.
And anecdotally, these people owning businesses does not lead to good outcomes. It leads to owners who squeeze every last cent out of the place by providing the minimum possible quality and quantity of service that will allow them to continue running. It leads to you either getting stonewalled or into a shouting match every time you complain that your hotel room hasn't been cleaned before you checked into it.
And of course, tech professionals and business owners aren't where the problems end. Even just in general, Indians are extraordinarily ethnocentric. Everything is about helping the in-group to a degree that possibly exceeds that of American blacks. There's no loyalty to anything except themselves and their cousins.
And for conservatives specifically, look at Vivek. He's a clever guy who learned the right populist talking points to recite, but then what did he do? Said basically outright that white Americans were lazy and their culture was inferior to that of the smart, hard-working Indian americans. This is one guy, but this is the most high profile indian conservative in American history who was in the dicussion for Trump's VP or cabinet and who was explicitly and publicly praised by Trump. If even this guy can turn out to be nothing more than an Indian ethnonationalist who pretends to be a patriotic conservative but considers American culture both separate and inferior to his own, what do you think that says about the median Indian in America?
If Indians were majority "right-wing", what would that look like? Would it mean being anti-immigration, including Indian immigration? Then maybe conservatives would like them a lot more. But if it means 'votes republican but tries to make everything about helping indians', then no, not so much. And it seems like the latter is mostly what you get.
Indians aren't unique in this regard. By the second generation, most of the nepotism is gone from the mentality. I don't think they are any more nepotistic (and probably even less by the 2nd generation) than Filipinos, Taiwanese, Armenians, Arabs, etc.
I don’t even need to read this shit to know it’s over analyzed garbage.
People (whites) don’t like Indians because they are fucking disgusting, smelly, low IQ and therefore functionally retarded. You won’t get people to change their attitude towards them and all it takes is personal experience and/or exposure on the internet through videos to have even more people accept this as a fact.
What a complicated pile of crap to ignore the obvious. They rape and murder at will, practice nepotism at unprecedented scales and do piles and piles of trafficking. Weapons, women, children, drugs, fent, coke, you name it.
They also shit everywhere. Most beaches are closed due to fecal counts. It aint politics. Their 'culture' is at complete odds with any civilisation.
I have come to the conclusion I don’t much care that they are different tribes. These days, they are all jeets. They all do the same thing. Punjab, Pakistani, Sikh. All the others. Jeets. rapine, murder, scams, shitting everywhere.
Seems substack has turned into Bluesky. Funny that. All of a sudden the lefties think they own this place.
So apparently I’m ignorant for pointing out the facts. Rape? Way up. Nepotism? Through the roof. Been to a Timmies lately? Even small towns are getting wiped out. Murder? Sure, that’s on the menu too. Scams ahoy and plenty of? Oh sure, throw that in there too, might as well. Short sentences or no sentences if yer brown? Yuppity yup.
Doesn't India's disproportionate participation in H1Bs immediately raise suspicion? It's not a particularly high IQ population, so even if their population is large you wouldn't expect them to be so overrepresented unless they were gaming the system.
But we should expect a meaningful number of very intelligent Indians. Firstly, because the population is so massive and so even a low IQ population will produce a decent number of smart people as an absolute quantity. And secondly, there is enormous variation in India between sub-populations/ethnic groups, with particular groups being well-above most other groups which has implications that would not be anticiated from simply looking at the national average and assuming one big normally distributed population.
I'm going on memory, but when I ran the math on India, even assuming a higher average for the Brahmins, there were only a couple million above 130 IQ. It was a drop in the bucket compared to the number of high IQ whites/Asians/Jews. The truth is we could completely cut ourself off from India and it would have no meaningful deficit in top talent.
Either white smarts are better than East Asian smarts and/or we have a superior culture/system for mobilizing top talent in productive ways. Otherwise they are #1 and we are #2 and the rest of the world doesn't matter.
I think it is mostly an online phenomenon among all Western conservatives, rather than a general trend among American conservatives. Indians don’t vote especially Liberal in the UK and aren’t that present in the rest of Europe. And Indians were already liberal in the US long before the indophobia wave occurred. I think the more likely explanation is that Indians are currently demographically replacing White people, but not in the real world. Instead, the change is happening online. The Internet 15 years ago was hard to access in the undeveloped world, and social media was just a youth habit. Today, it is widely accessed in developing countries. We notice India and not, say, China or Indonesia, because Indians are more fluent in English and have no government censorship. The H1b stuff also has an outsized effect on the sort of tech savvy people who live online.
Another reason: Black people were the first to get in flame wars with Indians. Black people are higher on the victimhood hierarchy which means they can get away with this stuff and normalize anti-Indian racism.
I’m not joking when I say that interacting with Indians online has genuinely worsened my quality of life. They are extremely dishonest, and not ashamed of it at all, and their arguments are often comprised almost entirely of non sequiturs. Many of them just screenshot ChatGPT as a source without even reading what it wrote. But if I never went online, if I never wasted my few good years arguing about the Aryan Invasions and the British occupation with someone who likely lacks the reading comprehension necessary to use a bus schedule, then I would probably have a positive or neutral opinion of Indians.
Do not say 'Indophobia'. There is nothing necessarily irrational about having an aversion to Indians, any more than it is irrational to have an aversion to Islam. I'm sure you've never accused anyone of having 'caucasaphobia'.
It's always odd for me to read about what right wingers are supposed to think when really you're generally speaking about civic nationalists, who are just globalists waving a flag, and believe any central African who is birthed by a mother who just stepped across the border is 100% as American as anyone else.
I don't care for Indians because they look less like me and don't behave like me. They have always seemed schizophrenic to me. Just not right in the head.
East Asians at least, as you said, are quiet, industrious, polite, law abiding, clean, intelligent, etc.
East Asians, due to more superficially similar phenotype seem less foreign than Indians, especially southern Indians with more AASI admixture who seem much closer to Sub-Saharan Africans than to us.
Indians give me bad dirty schizo vibes. East Asians don't.
That has nothing to do with political affiliation, which I had no idea about. It's entirely about a sense of similarity to self. At least for me.
But then again I'm not some dimwit civic nationalist "right wing" "conservative."
Anecdata but the first americans I heard complaining about indians were leftists from the tech industry who had to deal with indian nepotism and fake credentials.
That was my first experience as well, dealing with Indian ERP system consultants. It hasn't gotten better in the past few decades, and the general feeling is that Indians (first generation at least) will be nice people and talk a lot, but not get the job done.
Same here, in my old company I actually applied for a number, and succeeded for two H1B Indian software developers, because in late 1990s it was 'known' that they are often exceptional. Well, they were very convincing on interviews, and then succeeded in disappointing with their performance and abilities compared to American hires, and general tendency to deceive in many small ways. For example, one of them asking for special very early hours when he was found often sleeping on his desk or doing some unrelated coding; later it was found that he had another job in the evenings. They were both paid about >=$100K which was high in middle America at the time. Both were fired a few years later. Taught a lesson not to look for H1B anymore.
Also anecdotal, but same. I work in tech, and when I first heard people complaining offline about Indians as a group, it was progressives working in tech. And, no, it wasn't really "for ostensibly different reasons". But I get why Emil would write that looking in from the outside.
This is not why there's been a surge of anti-India posts & commentary. Without getting into other anti-social behavior (and the avarice of big corporations committing fraud to import cheap labor), it's because South-Asians are overwhelmingly faithful not to party, country, or America, but their co-ethnics, and ONLY their co-ethnics.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/08/22/indians-sign-petition-to-free-co-ethnic-illegal-u-turn-trucker/
Ask yourself: If an American did something like this, would over 200k Americans sign a petition to let him off, or to let him hang?!
Everyone should check the comments on the petition to free the illegal alien who committed vehicular homicide.
https://x.com/sarahcstock/status/1959028340708581428
White Americans would 100% do the same, in fact they regularly do. You remember when Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people and wounded a third, at a BLM protest and was celebrated for it by the right. Or when George Zimmerman killed an unarmed 17 year old and supporters gave him 400.000$ for his legal Defense, or what about Dylan Roof who killed 9 people at a black church in Charleston and received Letters and money from admirers.
And by the way anyone could sign or open this petition, you don't have any proof that these people actually are indians.
Rittenhouse was attacked with a deadly weapon and defended himself. Zimmerman (who incidentally wasn't white) was also attacked and being beaten when he defended himself.
AFA Roof is concerned, what's with this "whataboutism"? Is bad behavior supposed to excuse more bad behavior?
Do you really think this is going to sway anyone with an IQ over 80?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Ah yes. Harjinder Singh. It's at a million signatures now.
Diaspora politics is what happens in the background, what the media labels as aid packages in the billions: yes, USD is freely flowing from individual accounts as remittances to fund campaigns in their respective home-states, but the government aggregates data and states 50B has been paid out to so and so nation-state.
UPDATE: The petition to free the illegal alien who killed three Americans is now over 1.6 million.
Read the responses and ask if Americans should have to live with these people.
https://www.change.org/p/free-petition-plea-for-fair-sentencing
Check more. Those signing this petition are Khalistanis. Khalistanis are Sikhs, a radical jehadi like terrorist group, who hate India and want to scede. Overwhelming majority of Indians don't defend criminals. This illegal was a Khalistani who had filed for asylum under the pretext of persecution.
Read autonomous Truck(er)s, who uses police reports, factual data to point out that Sikhs are largely involved in the contraband trucking industry. Or Vancouver, where assault rifles at weddings are commonplace and where Sikhs own Surrey and ignore building codes, government, everyone, where there's gunfire in the street.
It's now over 1.6 million.
https://www.change.org/p/free-petition-plea-for-fair-sentencing
Check more. Those signing this petition are Khalistanis. Khalistanis are Sikhs, a radical jehadi like terrorist group, who hate India and want to scede. Overwhelming majority of Indians don't defend criminals. This illegal was a Khalistani who had filed for asylum under the pretext of persecution.
Check more. Those signing this petition are Khalistanis. Khalistanis are Sikhs, a radical jehadi like terrorist group, who hate India and want to scede. Overwhelming majority of Indians don't defend criminals. This illegal was a Khalistani who had filed for asylum under the pretext of persecution.
I think you are generally right on the "Indians lean heavily left, so Americans who lean heavily right dislike them" aspect. I do however think it is a mistake to think that is the fundamental level, as opposed to the cultural tendencies that make Indians look at the Democratic party and say "I am with them." People are not generally assigned party affiliations randomly, so if a group is heavily favoring one party it is because they are fairly well aligned with that party's platform or social tendencies.
I think many people have identified in the comments here examples of that:
-Group identity is of primary importance
-A focus on credentialism, with the understanding that making them up is fine
-A technocratic bent
-Less focus on doing what is right compared to what one can get away with (roughly corruption and acceptance or approval of corruption)
-High levels of hierarchical power (this is something less of a D/R split as a Democrat/Libertarian split)
I didn't know the political leanings of Indians as a group until just now (never really thought about it) but working with many, both in the US an India, for many years, there are definitely a specific list of behaviors and tendencies that people complain about, and those are generally the ones one would associate with large bureaucracies and government workers/officials. In retrospect it doesn't surprise me that Indians would favor the Democrats (although on some social issues there must be real friction).
Indians have the negatives of East Asians without the positives.
And the negatives of Arabs without (I don't know what positives, there probably are some, ask T.E. Lawrence).
Their small numbers have allowed them to float below the radar, but in societies with a lot of them the backlash is clear (the rest of the anglosphere is done with them).
Every person is different. Everyone changes throughout their lives. And you're also wrong about the anglosphere being done with them. Check out the immigration stats to Canada. You don't think much.
Canada went all in on pajeets and it’s been an uninitiated disaster.
I can assure you that Indians are 10x more likely to hire other Indians than an American - in America. There are plenty of groups at Fortune 500 companies made 100% of Indians. And they do discriminate against 2nd gen Indians too. “Indians only hire Indians” is a very well known motto in the banking industry.
Western countries that have/have had Indian heritage people in prominent political positions reveals the scale of their ethnic chauvinism. Canada will continue to receive very high numbers of south Asian immigrants, the UK who had Hindu Rishi Sunak as their PM used Brexit to hugely increase Indian immigration, while Ireland who had half Indian homosexual Leo Varadkar as "Taoiseach"( PM )is receiving 10s of thousands of Indians annually with family reunifications swelling the numbers who all get employment, health, housing and education priority over the Irish born. Newly built housing being purchased en masse right across the country.
They are pro immigration of all types of black and browns too so reducing the %of whites in their new country. Their hangup over being colonised by the British Empire runs very deep.
Of course they aren't the drain on western economies the way blacks, Hispanics and Muslims tend to be. Probably the most pro Jewish immigrant cohort too while being anti white. They're beginning to sound like the perfect citizens of western nations.
FBI Director General Kash Patel is partnered to a Jewish woman, vice president JD Vance has 3 children with a Hindu Indian woman.
Best to get with the program so.
Perhaps an argument then for, "good borders make for good neighbours" national and ethnically homogeneous countries seem to suffer far less internal discontent and criminality than diverse ones do. They can probably communicate, cooperate, and settle their differences more easily and swiftly due to shared beliefs, cultures, values, traditions, etc, "Like seeks like after all", making for common ground and cause. As in all things there will be exceptions.
Not sure it is about nationality or ethnicity so much as ideology/policy preferences.
"In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion."
-Lee Kwan Yew, PM of Singapore
https://www.unz.com/isteve/lee-kwan-yew-on-democracy-vs/
And furthermore:
"One point that doesn’t really get discussed in relation to “high skilled immigrant success stories” in America is that nearly every middle+ class immigrant family in the last 60 years committed fraud to game the higher ed financial aid system, while nearly every middle class American family dutifully reported their assets and dutifully got r*ped either by the tuition itself or by the debt their children took on.
This is basically an orphan issue because the left thinks all immigrants are angels and the right thinks no one should have to pay outrageous uni tuitions, but the upshot is that for 60 years immigrants have been coached by their friends to keep much of their net worth as practical in cash (like literally, stuffed in deposit boxes) or overseas assets so that they can qualify for $20k-$40k financial aid per year of undergrad and then, in many cases, professional school. Meanwhile if your family has been here 200 or 300 years, even colleges with good financial aid expect you to pay at least 1/4 of your net worth per year. The net result is that decades years later the wealth immigrants saved by coolly defrauding universities has compounded to $500k-$1m per kid, and those kids are lecturing the white Americans who actually paid for the educations of both families about hard work, saving, and building for the future."
https://x.com/QuasLacrimas/status/1957430889756885240
Affirmative action. The gift that keeps on giving
How does Lee Kwan Yew explain the case of Singapore, a multiracial country dominated by a multiracial political party (the People's Action Party)?
He doesn't explain anything, he's dead.
They only have one party, and it's authoritarian. You can be arrested for chewing gum, you had to take the vax, etc.
Why does it get so many votes?
Because they get results. Singapore is rich and peaceful and builds shit. Nothing like the present-day Anglosphere, and least of all the U.S.
75% or so of Singapore is ethnically Chinese, it has a clearly dominant numerical majority.
You cannot have a culture or civilisation without ethnic homogeniety in the first place. For evolutionary reasons humans have evolved to live in close kinship communities of around 100-150, or so. Trust and competition is a big issue within such communities, let alone with out groups who are by and large competitors, or are often considered so and for good reasons. Shared beliefs (religiosity), enable, encourage and in time instill trust, mutual cooperation, and reciprocal behaviours to develop and flourish within and between ethnical homogenous communities. Which then enable such communities the possibility of forming similar relationships with other ethnically similar out groups or communities. In time other ethnicities may be included, but on an individual and micro-social basis, through inter-marriage, which then becomes intramarriage. Which helps the growth, continuation, and expansion of the national identity and helps the Nation and State created out of the shared identity to grow further and flourish.
Like seeks like after all. Without trust and reciprocity there can be no micro, or macrosocial identities and the cultures, societies and civilisations that develop from such. All nations seem to have such roots. These roots and bonds are now being severed by diversity. The high openness, high trust, high specialisation and technology societies can only develop and exist within such homogenous nations with strong shared beliefs, traditions, taboos and identities. The benefits of such abound and are clear to see. Though like everything else, "the ties that bind" are and have been severed for the most part by diversity and globalisation. Ethnically homogenous Nations colonise, develop and protect geographical locations and their resources, which they use to develop and expand. If there is no trust there can be no reciprocity, nor anything else that extends from such.
It's interesting watching the H1B debate. While speaking highly of H1Bs in rhetoric, there is the balance sheet on the program.
1) Vivek and Musk are out of the administration.
2) Trump has not increased the H1B cap.
3) Trump has gotten rid of the H1B lottery in favor of salary base priority system, which basically screws a lot of mediocre Indians.
4) Trump introduced the "Gold Visa" which allows rich foreigners to buy Visa's from the treasury rather then paying Universities for a visa.
On rhetoric Trump is pro Indian. On actual policy he's given the right everything it wants short of completely dismantling the program.
Brilliant, all in good direction then. My president.
I don't know if he's pro-indian in rhetoric, but he's not pro-india in rhetoric. He publicly and explicitly attacked India for buying billions in Russian oil each year and threatened tarriffs on India for doing so.
H1B visas are screwing up.the labor marketing, it's pretty simple. And understandable: youngrow up.in à country, there are X number of jobs in a field, you go into.it, and oh sorry suddenly you're in line behind all these people who come out of nowhere and drive down thé wages.
Much of the supposed "positive" aspects of Indian Americans are significantly bogus.
In many industries, especially tech, there is enormous familial/ethnic nepotism, fake degrees, fake/exaggerated experience. Oh, and not only do they discriminate against non-Indians in a way that would be illegal for whites to discriminate against non-whites, they even discriminate against different types of Indians. Don't believe me? It is so serious that a bill was passed in california specifically to outlaw 'caste discrimination' (the bill was ultimately vetoed by Newsom saying existing laws already covered it). Truly wonderful people who definitely deserve to be defended by "anti-racist" twitter douchebags and who definitely don't deserve to have anyone dislike them.
They're praised for their 'small business ownership', especially things like hotels, and anyone who doesn't praise this gets calls jealous and resentful.
What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that these people literally qualify for 'minority' small business loans. That is, money is taken from white people and given extremely cheaply (or essentially for free) to Indians so they can buy up small businesses. Then people praise them for their ownership of these small businesses and tell white people who complain they should have just worked hard like these wonderful Indians.
And of course, many (if not most) of these Indian owned small business are dominated by familial and ethnic nepotism to the point that their profitability depends on it.
Crucially, in addition to white men not being eligible for these loans, it would literally be illegal for white people to engage in this kind of nepotism. If a the white owner of a hotel chain hired only his white friends and relatives or (for large organizations) basically only only hired white people, they would literally be in violation of the law and would be destroyed with lawsuits.
And anecdotally, these people owning businesses does not lead to good outcomes. It leads to owners who squeeze every last cent out of the place by providing the minimum possible quality and quantity of service that will allow them to continue running. It leads to you either getting stonewalled or into a shouting match every time you complain that your hotel room hasn't been cleaned before you checked into it.
And of course, tech professionals and business owners aren't where the problems end. Even just in general, Indians are extraordinarily ethnocentric. Everything is about helping the in-group to a degree that possibly exceeds that of American blacks. There's no loyalty to anything except themselves and their cousins.
And for conservatives specifically, look at Vivek. He's a clever guy who learned the right populist talking points to recite, but then what did he do? Said basically outright that white Americans were lazy and their culture was inferior to that of the smart, hard-working Indian americans. This is one guy, but this is the most high profile indian conservative in American history who was in the dicussion for Trump's VP or cabinet and who was explicitly and publicly praised by Trump. If even this guy can turn out to be nothing more than an Indian ethnonationalist who pretends to be a patriotic conservative but considers American culture both separate and inferior to his own, what do you think that says about the median Indian in America?
If Indians were majority "right-wing", what would that look like? Would it mean being anti-immigration, including Indian immigration? Then maybe conservatives would like them a lot more. But if it means 'votes republican but tries to make everything about helping indians', then no, not so much. And it seems like the latter is mostly what you get.
Indians aren't unique in this regard. By the second generation, most of the nepotism is gone from the mentality. I don't think they are any more nepotistic (and probably even less by the 2nd generation) than Filipinos, Taiwanese, Armenians, Arabs, etc.
I don’t even need to read this shit to know it’s over analyzed garbage.
People (whites) don’t like Indians because they are fucking disgusting, smelly, low IQ and therefore functionally retarded. You won’t get people to change their attitude towards them and all it takes is personal experience and/or exposure on the internet through videos to have even more people accept this as a fact.
What a complicated pile of crap to ignore the obvious. They rape and murder at will, practice nepotism at unprecedented scales and do piles and piles of trafficking. Weapons, women, children, drugs, fent, coke, you name it.
They also shit everywhere. Most beaches are closed due to fecal counts. It aint politics. Their 'culture' is at complete odds with any civilisation.
> They rape and murder at will
I think you're confusing them with Pakistanis.
I have come to the conclusion I don’t much care that they are different tribes. These days, they are all jeets. They all do the same thing. Punjab, Pakistani, Sikh. All the others. Jeets. rapine, murder, scams, shitting everywhere.
Thanks for demonstrating your willful ignorance.
Came over from Bluesky I see. Only the ten thousandth person to use that old pile thinking they’ve won something.
You do love yourself your ignorance.
Seems substack has turned into Bluesky. Funny that. All of a sudden the lefties think they own this place.
So apparently I’m ignorant for pointing out the facts. Rape? Way up. Nepotism? Through the roof. Been to a Timmies lately? Even small towns are getting wiped out. Murder? Sure, that’s on the menu too. Scams ahoy and plenty of? Oh sure, throw that in there too, might as well. Short sentences or no sentences if yer brown? Yuppity yup.
Culprits? Brown and Brown and Brown and Co.
One should love one’s lack of knowing. Opens one to possibilities. Not certain you’ll understand that but thought I’d say that.
Possibility that you used a softer term not wanting to be oh I dunno, mean by writing harsher words.
You should commit. Don’t fancy dance. Just say it.
Doesn't India's disproportionate participation in H1Bs immediately raise suspicion? It's not a particularly high IQ population, so even if their population is large you wouldn't expect them to be so overrepresented unless they were gaming the system.
There's definite gaming of the system.
But we should expect a meaningful number of very intelligent Indians. Firstly, because the population is so massive and so even a low IQ population will produce a decent number of smart people as an absolute quantity. And secondly, there is enormous variation in India between sub-populations/ethnic groups, with particular groups being well-above most other groups which has implications that would not be anticiated from simply looking at the national average and assuming one big normally distributed population.
I'm going on memory, but when I ran the math on India, even assuming a higher average for the Brahmins, there were only a couple million above 130 IQ. It was a drop in the bucket compared to the number of high IQ whites/Asians/Jews. The truth is we could completely cut ourself off from India and it would have no meaningful deficit in top talent.
Either white smarts are better than East Asian smarts and/or we have a superior culture/system for mobilizing top talent in productive ways. Otherwise they are #1 and we are #2 and the rest of the world doesn't matter.
I think it is mostly an online phenomenon among all Western conservatives, rather than a general trend among American conservatives. Indians don’t vote especially Liberal in the UK and aren’t that present in the rest of Europe. And Indians were already liberal in the US long before the indophobia wave occurred. I think the more likely explanation is that Indians are currently demographically replacing White people, but not in the real world. Instead, the change is happening online. The Internet 15 years ago was hard to access in the undeveloped world, and social media was just a youth habit. Today, it is widely accessed in developing countries. We notice India and not, say, China or Indonesia, because Indians are more fluent in English and have no government censorship. The H1b stuff also has an outsized effect on the sort of tech savvy people who live online.
Another reason: Black people were the first to get in flame wars with Indians. Black people are higher on the victimhood hierarchy which means they can get away with this stuff and normalize anti-Indian racism.
I’m not joking when I say that interacting with Indians online has genuinely worsened my quality of life. They are extremely dishonest, and not ashamed of it at all, and their arguments are often comprised almost entirely of non sequiturs. Many of them just screenshot ChatGPT as a source without even reading what it wrote. But if I never went online, if I never wasted my few good years arguing about the Aryan Invasions and the British occupation with someone who likely lacks the reading comprehension necessary to use a bus schedule, then I would probably have a positive or neutral opinion of Indians.
Do not say 'Indophobia'. There is nothing necessarily irrational about having an aversion to Indians, any more than it is irrational to have an aversion to Islam. I'm sure you've never accused anyone of having 'caucasaphobia'.
It's always odd for me to read about what right wingers are supposed to think when really you're generally speaking about civic nationalists, who are just globalists waving a flag, and believe any central African who is birthed by a mother who just stepped across the border is 100% as American as anyone else.
I don't care for Indians because they look less like me and don't behave like me. They have always seemed schizophrenic to me. Just not right in the head.
East Asians at least, as you said, are quiet, industrious, polite, law abiding, clean, intelligent, etc.
East Asians, due to more superficially similar phenotype seem less foreign than Indians, especially southern Indians with more AASI admixture who seem much closer to Sub-Saharan Africans than to us.
Indians give me bad dirty schizo vibes. East Asians don't.
That has nothing to do with political affiliation, which I had no idea about. It's entirely about a sense of similarity to self. At least for me.
But then again I'm not some dimwit civic nationalist "right wing" "conservative."
Just read any article about Indians from other Indians. They all hate each other because they’re all terrible
California literally had to pass an anti-caste discrimination bill lol
Why Americans hate Indians.
https://x.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1872312139945234507?lang=en