Anecdata but the first americans I heard complaining about indians were leftists from the tech industry who had to deal with indian nepotism and fake credentials.
That was my first experience as well, dealing with Indian ERP system consultants. It hasn't gotten better in the past few decades, and the general feeling is that Indians (first generation at least) will be nice people and talk a lot, but not get the job done.
Perhaps an argument then for, "good borders make for good neighbours" national and ethnically homogeneous countries seem to suffer far less internal discontent and criminality than diverse ones do. They can probably communicate, cooperate, and settle their differences more easily and swiftly due to shared beliefs, cultures, values, traditions, etc, "Like seeks like after all", making for common ground and cause. As in all things there will be exceptions.
You cannot have a culture or civilisation without ethnic homogeniety in the first place. For evolutionary reasons humans have evolved to live in close kinship communities of around 100-150, or so. Trust and competition is a big issue within such communities, let alone with out groups who are by and large competitors, or are often considered so and for good reasons. Shared beliefs (religiosity), enable, encourage and in time instill trust, mutual cooperation, and reciprocal behaviours to develop and flourish within and between ethnical homogenous communities. Which then enable such communities the possibility of forming similar relationships with other ethnically similar out groups or communities. In time other ethnicities may be included, but on an individual and micro-social basis, through inter-marriage, which then becomes intramarriage. Which helps the growth, continuation, and expansion of the national identity and helps the Nation and State created out of the shared identity to grow further and flourish.
Like seeks like after all. Without trust and reciprocity there can be no micro, or macrosocial identities and the cultures, societies and civilisations that develop from such. All nations seem to have such roots. These roots and bonds are now being severed by diversity. The high openness, high trust, high specialisation and technology societies can only develop and exist within such homogenous nations with strong shared beliefs, traditions, taboos and identities. The benefits of such abound and are clear to see. Though like everything else, "the ties that bind" are and have been severed for the most part by diversity and globalisation. Ethnically homogenous Nations colonise, develop and protect geographical locations and their resources, which they use to develop and expand. If there is no trust there can be no reciprocity, nor anything else that extends from such.
"In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion."
"One point that doesn’t really get discussed in relation to “high skilled immigrant success stories” in America is that nearly every middle+ class immigrant family in the last 60 years committed fraud to game the higher ed financial aid system, while nearly every middle class American family dutifully reported their assets and dutifully got r*ped either by the tuition itself or by the debt their children took on.
This is basically an orphan issue because the left thinks all immigrants are angels and the right thinks no one should have to pay outrageous uni tuitions, but the upshot is that for 60 years immigrants have been coached by their friends to keep much of their net worth as practical in cash (like literally, stuffed in deposit boxes) or overseas assets so that they can qualify for $20k-$40k financial aid per year of undergrad and then, in many cases, professional school. Meanwhile if your family has been here 200 or 300 years, even colleges with good financial aid expect you to pay at least 1/4 of your net worth per year. The net result is that decades years later the wealth immigrants saved by coolly defrauding universities has compounded to $500k-$1m per kid, and those kids are lecturing the white Americans who actually paid for the educations of both families about hard work, saving, and building for the future."
This is not why there's been a surge of anti-India posts & commentary. Without getting into other anti-social behavior (and the avarice of big corporations committing fraud to import cheap labor), it's because South-Asians are overwhelmingly faithful not to party, country, or America, but their co-ethnics, and ONLY their co-ethnics.
I don’t live in the US but I’ve noticed my school-aged kids have picked up a lot of anti-Indian memes over the last year. Such tropes about blacks are completely taboo.
Culture works like this and it’s very hard to be scientific about it.
Western countries that have/have had Indian heritage people in prominent political positions reveals the scale of their ethnic chauvinism. Canada will continue to receive very high numbers of south Asian immigrants, the UK who had Hindu Rishi Sunak as their PM used Brexit to hugely increase Indian immigration, while Ireland who had half Indian homosexual Leo Varadkar as "Taoiseach"( PM )is receiving 10s of thousands of Indians annually with family reunifications swelling the numbers who all get employment, health, housing and education priority over the Irish born. Newly built housing being purchased en masse right across the country.
They are pro immigration of all types of black and browns too so reducing the %of whites in their new country. Their hangup over being colonised by the British Empire runs very deep.
Of course they aren't the drain on western economies the way blacks, Hispanics and Muslims tend to be. Probably the most pro Jewish immigrant cohort too while being anti white. They're beginning to sound like the perfect citizens of western nations.
FBI Director General Kash Patel is partnered to a Jewish woman, vice president JD Vance has 3 children with a Hindu Indian woman.
I think you are generally right on the "Indians lean heavily left, so Americans who lean heavily right dislike them" aspect. I do however think it is a mistake to think that is the fundamental level, as opposed to the cultural tendencies that make Indians look at the Democratic party and say "I am with them." People are not generally assigned party affiliations randomly, so if a group is heavily favoring one party it is because they are fairly well aligned with that party's platform or social tendencies.
I think many people have identified in the comments here examples of that:
-Group identity is of primary importance
-A focus on credentialism, with the understanding that making them up is fine
-A technocratic bent
-Less focus on doing what is right compared to what one can get away with (roughly corruption and acceptance or approval of corruption)
-High levels of hierarchical power (this is something less of a D/R split as a Democrat/Libertarian split)
I didn't know the political leanings of Indians as a group until just now (never really thought about it) but working with many, both in the US an India, for many years, there are definitely a specific list of behaviors and tendencies that people complain about, and those are generally the ones one would associate with large bureaucracies and government workers/officials. In retrospect it doesn't surprise me that Indians would favor the Democrats (although on some social issues there must be real friction).
The reason is less to do with politics the right wing in America is extremely racist and I've seen there politics they immediately assume the Indian is trying to cheat them or there is ethnic nepotism or they comments about looks mind you they look like ghouls themselves like that 1 debate between Vivek ramaswamy and that racist lady I forget her name.
But if that's the mentality obviously yeah there gonna vote left wing
The timing of the surge in anti-Indian hate is odd. This theory seems plausible, but doesn’t explain changes or emphasis well. The persistent anti-Hispanic dislike among rightwingers despite them supporting Republicans, the persistent nativism despite a likely small majority of naturalized immigrants voting Republican in 2024, etc. Let say your economic points are correct (they’re not), why the would a rightwing nativist be upset about immigrants lowering wages in a leftwing sector of the economy (tech)?
I think you’re assuming way too much rationality on the behalf of bullies. All the anti Indian RW sentiment is reminiscent of and sounds identical to all the playground insults I heard growing up.
The perception of Indians as dirty is not one made from data, so it doesn’t really make sense to be like “actually the Vietnamese are just as dirty”. These are cultural perceptions that have been around for a long time, and there’s no opposing forces (as in, for whatever reason, South Asian racism is not really punished by authorities or by South Asians themselves). I’m unsure of the origin of the cultural perceptions but I’d imagine it has much more to do with movies, TV, and internet culture than data about objective facts
Anecdata but the first americans I heard complaining about indians were leftists from the tech industry who had to deal with indian nepotism and fake credentials.
That was my first experience as well, dealing with Indian ERP system consultants. It hasn't gotten better in the past few decades, and the general feeling is that Indians (first generation at least) will be nice people and talk a lot, but not get the job done.
Perhaps an argument then for, "good borders make for good neighbours" national and ethnically homogeneous countries seem to suffer far less internal discontent and criminality than diverse ones do. They can probably communicate, cooperate, and settle their differences more easily and swiftly due to shared beliefs, cultures, values, traditions, etc, "Like seeks like after all", making for common ground and cause. As in all things there will be exceptions.
Not sure it is about nationality or ethnicity so much as ideology/policy preferences.
You cannot have a culture or civilisation without ethnic homogeniety in the first place. For evolutionary reasons humans have evolved to live in close kinship communities of around 100-150, or so. Trust and competition is a big issue within such communities, let alone with out groups who are by and large competitors, or are often considered so and for good reasons. Shared beliefs (religiosity), enable, encourage and in time instill trust, mutual cooperation, and reciprocal behaviours to develop and flourish within and between ethnical homogenous communities. Which then enable such communities the possibility of forming similar relationships with other ethnically similar out groups or communities. In time other ethnicities may be included, but on an individual and micro-social basis, through inter-marriage, which then becomes intramarriage. Which helps the growth, continuation, and expansion of the national identity and helps the Nation and State created out of the shared identity to grow further and flourish.
Like seeks like after all. Without trust and reciprocity there can be no micro, or macrosocial identities and the cultures, societies and civilisations that develop from such. All nations seem to have such roots. These roots and bonds are now being severed by diversity. The high openness, high trust, high specialisation and technology societies can only develop and exist within such homogenous nations with strong shared beliefs, traditions, taboos and identities. The benefits of such abound and are clear to see. Though like everything else, "the ties that bind" are and have been severed for the most part by diversity and globalisation. Ethnically homogenous Nations colonise, develop and protect geographical locations and their resources, which they use to develop and expand. If there is no trust there can be no reciprocity, nor anything else that extends from such.
"In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion."
-Lee Kwan Yew, PM of Singapore
https://www.unz.com/isteve/lee-kwan-yew-on-democracy-vs/
And furthermore:
"One point that doesn’t really get discussed in relation to “high skilled immigrant success stories” in America is that nearly every middle+ class immigrant family in the last 60 years committed fraud to game the higher ed financial aid system, while nearly every middle class American family dutifully reported their assets and dutifully got r*ped either by the tuition itself or by the debt their children took on.
This is basically an orphan issue because the left thinks all immigrants are angels and the right thinks no one should have to pay outrageous uni tuitions, but the upshot is that for 60 years immigrants have been coached by their friends to keep much of their net worth as practical in cash (like literally, stuffed in deposit boxes) or overseas assets so that they can qualify for $20k-$40k financial aid per year of undergrad and then, in many cases, professional school. Meanwhile if your family has been here 200 or 300 years, even colleges with good financial aid expect you to pay at least 1/4 of your net worth per year. The net result is that decades years later the wealth immigrants saved by coolly defrauding universities has compounded to $500k-$1m per kid, and those kids are lecturing the white Americans who actually paid for the educations of both families about hard work, saving, and building for the future."
https://x.com/QuasLacrimas/status/1957430889756885240
How does Lee Kwan Yew explain the case of Singapore, a multiracial country dominated by a multiracial political party (the People's Action Party)?
He doesn't explain anything, he's dead.
They only have one party, and it's authoritarian. You can be arrested for chewing gum, you had to take the vax, etc.
This is not why there's been a surge of anti-India posts & commentary. Without getting into other anti-social behavior (and the avarice of big corporations committing fraud to import cheap labor), it's because South-Asians are overwhelmingly faithful not to party, country, or America, but their co-ethnics, and ONLY their co-ethnics.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2025/08/22/indians-sign-petition-to-free-co-ethnic-illegal-u-turn-trucker/
Ask yourself: If an American did something like this, would over 200k Americans sign a petition to let him off, or to let him hang?!
I don’t live in the US but I’ve noticed my school-aged kids have picked up a lot of anti-Indian memes over the last year. Such tropes about blacks are completely taboo.
Culture works like this and it’s very hard to be scientific about it.
I hate when you bring data to anecdotal argument hour! Damn you and your scientific reasoning!
Another banger, as always.
Western countries that have/have had Indian heritage people in prominent political positions reveals the scale of their ethnic chauvinism. Canada will continue to receive very high numbers of south Asian immigrants, the UK who had Hindu Rishi Sunak as their PM used Brexit to hugely increase Indian immigration, while Ireland who had half Indian homosexual Leo Varadkar as "Taoiseach"( PM )is receiving 10s of thousands of Indians annually with family reunifications swelling the numbers who all get employment, health, housing and education priority over the Irish born. Newly built housing being purchased en masse right across the country.
They are pro immigration of all types of black and browns too so reducing the %of whites in their new country. Their hangup over being colonised by the British Empire runs very deep.
Of course they aren't the drain on western economies the way blacks, Hispanics and Muslims tend to be. Probably the most pro Jewish immigrant cohort too while being anti white. They're beginning to sound like the perfect citizens of western nations.
FBI Director General Kash Patel is partnered to a Jewish woman, vice president JD Vance has 3 children with a Hindu Indian woman.
Best to get with the program so.
It all seems fake. I live in the Midwest and have never encountered/heard it in real life.
I think you are generally right on the "Indians lean heavily left, so Americans who lean heavily right dislike them" aspect. I do however think it is a mistake to think that is the fundamental level, as opposed to the cultural tendencies that make Indians look at the Democratic party and say "I am with them." People are not generally assigned party affiliations randomly, so if a group is heavily favoring one party it is because they are fairly well aligned with that party's platform or social tendencies.
I think many people have identified in the comments here examples of that:
-Group identity is of primary importance
-A focus on credentialism, with the understanding that making them up is fine
-A technocratic bent
-Less focus on doing what is right compared to what one can get away with (roughly corruption and acceptance or approval of corruption)
-High levels of hierarchical power (this is something less of a D/R split as a Democrat/Libertarian split)
I didn't know the political leanings of Indians as a group until just now (never really thought about it) but working with many, both in the US an India, for many years, there are definitely a specific list of behaviors and tendencies that people complain about, and those are generally the ones one would associate with large bureaucracies and government workers/officials. In retrospect it doesn't surprise me that Indians would favor the Democrats (although on some social issues there must be real friction).
The reason is less to do with politics the right wing in America is extremely racist and I've seen there politics they immediately assume the Indian is trying to cheat them or there is ethnic nepotism or they comments about looks mind you they look like ghouls themselves like that 1 debate between Vivek ramaswamy and that racist lady I forget her name.
But if that's the mentality obviously yeah there gonna vote left wing
The timing of the surge in anti-Indian hate is odd. This theory seems plausible, but doesn’t explain changes or emphasis well. The persistent anti-Hispanic dislike among rightwingers despite them supporting Republicans, the persistent nativism despite a likely small majority of naturalized immigrants voting Republican in 2024, etc. Let say your economic points are correct (they’re not), why the would a rightwing nativist be upset about immigrants lowering wages in a leftwing sector of the economy (tech)?
Also, the extreme dislike for RW American Indians is something to behold.
I think you’re assuming way too much rationality on the behalf of bullies. All the anti Indian RW sentiment is reminiscent of and sounds identical to all the playground insults I heard growing up.
The perception of Indians as dirty is not one made from data, so it doesn’t really make sense to be like “actually the Vietnamese are just as dirty”. These are cultural perceptions that have been around for a long time, and there’s no opposing forces (as in, for whatever reason, South Asian racism is not really punished by authorities or by South Asians themselves). I’m unsure of the origin of the cultural perceptions but I’d imagine it has much more to do with movies, TV, and internet culture than data about objective facts
Excellent analysis!
A lot of "Vietnamese" who live in the US are actually ethnic Chinese.
Genetically yes, but they escaped a communist dictatorship so lean further right.