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Owatihsug's avatar

Do you think finding polygenic scores for different subscores of intelligence could give a more nuanced picture for the Greco-Roman world, or would it prove redundant?

For example, there must be something that accounts for relatively lower (or at least, different) scientific productivity in East Asia compared to Europe, despite higher general intelligence and a greater number of people. Perhaps that is due to a mix of psychological traits besides intelligence, as well as specific facets of intelligence (spatial vs. verbal).

A similar dynamic could also have been at play in the Classical era. Ancient Greeks produced vastly more science than the Romans did, and their greater rates of innovation are also seen in cultural domains, though this is of course harder to measure objectively. It cannot simply be that the Greeks were higher in general intelligence, because the Republican-era Romans (in central Italy, at least) were already very intelligent, and that would imply a ridiculously high intelligence for the Greeks (given the contrast of almost no science vs. most of notable pre-modern science). Moreover, the Romans very easily bested the Greeks militarily, often tactically and not just through sheer demographics, which means that the Greeks could not have been intelligent enough to simply toy with the romans.

Seeking polygenic scores on psychological traits like extraversion and openness to experience will be important, I presume, as well as on intelligence subscores? What if the Ancient Greeks had, for example, much higher verbal intelligence than spatial intelligence relative to the Republican-era Romans? It might have important implications for embryo selection and gene editing.

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B. E. Gordon's avatar

Since 2020, fwiw, in the US, births among the unmarried, and among native blacks whether married or not, have been crashing, which may possibly indicate a reversal of declining IQ — that IQ may be actually going up.

(The CDC WONDER database is great for that kind of investigation.)

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Usually Wash's avatar

This data is quite old yes? It's PISA 2000 so people born in the mid-1980s. Might be outdated.

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Mark Taylor's avatar

In a difficult world, nature selects for intelligence. In an easy world, nature selects for wanton reproduction. In a world with birth control and abortion, nature selects for intentional reproduction combined with low time preference. We’re only a few generations into the new natural selection regime, and populations are slowly crashing while we wait to figure out who “the fittest” are.

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Bazza's avatar

After the introduction of hormonal birth control in NZ in 1961, it only took about 20 years to go from a TFR of well over 4 to a TFR of 2.1. That was quite a shock. The TFR then oscillated around 2.1 for about 30 years until about 2010 when it started to progressively declined to its current 1.6. Let's call that latter shock the advent of mobile digital social media.

So, while your thesis has validity it is not taking into account human's ability to respond to new information. I expect there will be a generational return to higher levels of completed fertility, at least in NZ as the information about unsustainable TFR percolates through society.

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