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Divorcing my wife when she hits 46, because I don't want to be mentally ill.

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1. The recent rise of LGBT numbers is just people identifying with fashionable labels. Studies on the rate of people who regularly have same-sex sexual intercourse prove that there isn't any rise for this.

2. I press X to doubt for these old studies proving "turning gay guys straight, works". I suspect people who participated in these studies hated being gay more than regular gay guys and so they actually were motivated to refrain from Same sex intercourse. (Also I think they may have simply lied)

3. FWIW think of pedophilia. I'm pretty sure almost everyone who has this, truly hates this and wants to get rid of this. But despite lots of research (which is actively promoted by academia unlike in the gay case) researchers don't think there is any method to turn pedophile people straight.

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Jan 28, 2023·edited Jan 28, 2023

>So since female fertility is strongly age-dependent, men's targeting must be primarily of fecund females, so age 15-45 or so. Female targeting can be less age dependent, but should at least be 15+ (and that's what we see). Thus, if someone is targeting persons outside of the adaptive age, that is a disorder of sorts.

Oh, how many times do I have to explain this to clueless psychologists? Men have evolved to choose females based on their long-term reproductive potential, not their current fertility.

Humans don't run around screwing each-other like dogs, forever having one-night-stands. Hunter-gatherer societies are not freelove hippy communes where everyone screws everyone else. What men and women in all societies do is form long-term exclusive relationships or marriages and raise kids together. So a man's reproductive success is dependant the amount of offspring his chosen wife can give him over the long-term.

So what females can potentially provide the most offspring over the long-term? Well, those that are young and haven't started reproducing yet and still have all their fertile years ahead of them. The average age of a girl's first conception in modern HG societies is about 17. It may have been a bit lower in ancestral times during our evolution when HG people lived in better habitats and were better nourished with more meat in their diet. What this basically shows is that in order for an ancestral man to stand a chance at monopolising a female's reproductive lifespan and get as many offspring from her as possible he needed to target girls no older than about 16, before any other man got them up the duff. Though targetting girls too young say like 5 year olds would not be optimal since they are a long way from reproducitve age. The best females would be those closer to the beginning of their reproductive lifespan who will start giving a man offspring sooner.

This is not just theoretical, anthropologists have seen this in primitive foraging societies that are something like we evolved in. The girls most sought after are the teen and pubescent girls who are just prior their first pregnancy. When Chagnon lived with the Yanomamo he saw that when the girls got to about 12 and grew some perky boobs all the men noticed and they would have to be closely guarded by their male relatives or husbands to stop them getting raped or abducted by raiders. By the time they had go to about 18-20 and had started having babies the men would lose a lot of interest in them, and say they were "growing old" and they would no longer have to be closely guarded.

The reason girls have evolved to grow perky eye-catching boobs in puberty is to signal that they approaching reproductive age and to honestly signal that they haven't had a baby yet and still have all their reproductive years ahead of them. Once a girl starts having babies her boobs lose pertness and go saggy. This is what the men mean by "growing old".

By the time they get to about 30 the women have been though 3-4 pregnancies, spent years breastfeeding and their bodies are wrecked. Their boobs are saggy pancakes, nipples are dry and cracked, their waists are flabby and covered in stretchmarks. The men find them gross. On the other hand, a 13yo girl who's just come up to puberty and hasn't even started ovulating yet is immensely more attractive and sought after. She hasn't had a baby yet, her boobs her pert and her nipples may even point upward. Her waist is much smaller and has no stretchmarks. Her face is young and fresh and hasn't become worn from the stresses of motherhood.

Now, if men have evolved to choose females based on their current fertility this preference makes no sense. The 30yo is still very fertile* but the 13yo is prefertile. But that is not how the human mating system works. Men have evolved to choose females based on their long-term reproductive potential. The 30yo is over half way through her reproductive lifespan while the 13yo has all her fertile years ahead of her. A man who chooses the 13yo as a wife will potentially leave behind double the amount of offspring as a man who chooses the 30yo. An absolutely HUGE reproductive advantage.

*At least during her fertile time of the menstrual cycle and between pregnancies. For our species most sex is non-reproductive and serves more as kind of bonding mechanism. This is why couples have sex all thoughout the menstrual cycle and when already pregnant.

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It's incredible how controversial this statement is considered among the Western elite. The disparity between elite and public/non-Western opinion on this is enormous. Great article. It's surprising that nobody has ever made this argument before you (afaik) since it is so obviously true if you look at the data.

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My niece and nephew both have very confused romantic lives and this LBGTQ/gender stuff is a big part of it. Even if their underlying attraction hasn't changed, its making it very difficult for them to have healthy male/female relationships.

Back before the LBGTQ explosion, I remember fag hags generally being lower quality women than those without gay friends. The gay friends advice always amounted to the idea that these women should be more like gay men (promiscuous, hedonistic, neurotic, selfish).

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Jan 26, 2023·edited Jan 26, 2023

A Dean Byrd & Nicolosi actually excluded the two best penile studies of so called "cured homosexuals". They only included the ones from *one author*, suggesting it's not reliable.

1960 Kurt Freund finds no evidence of reoriented homosexuals having arousal to women, they responded to men. In 1976 Conrad and Wincze found that physiological arousal measurements did not support the positive reports of men who had participated in conversion therapy – they too were still aroused by imagery of men.

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It is ridiculous on your side to suppose homosexuality is malleable. Do you think being Asperger is malleable? Or being low IQ? Is there any tendency that is inherent in one's basic instincts that is malleable? Maybe some phobias but it is a unique exception because of the unusual power of habituation.

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There is no value neutral account of mental disorders or illnesses.

The values you suggest, evolutionary ones, are probably not correct or useful. What is natural is not necessarily good.

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Jan 26, 2023·edited Jan 26, 2023

"Aside from the gay germ theory, which I think is not likely, unless it's a metaphor for 'grooming', the other popular theory is sexual antagonistic selection. The idea here is that some genetic variants cause men to be gay, but increase fertility in their female relatives enough to make up for this. Or make the gays so helpful to relatives that their own fertility reduction is worth it. "

Isn't there also the possibility that there is a sickle-cell anemia type selection going on, i.e. if you get too many of the [trait] alleles, you're gay and have no children, but if you get only a few of the [trait] alleles, then you're straight (or at worst bisexual) and end up being more reproductively successful than someone who only got the non-[trait] alleles?

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I knew many of the researchers doing this work, and they pointed out to critics that they were treating only those homosexuals who wanted to change. Despite that, hostility to treatment increased. I can remember the bitter arguments at conferences

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If the "germ theory" is true shouldn't we see an unusually large drop in number of gay people cause of the 2020-2021 Covid Lockdown/social distancing measuring? Ofc we could only see this in a few years

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Great deep dive but I think an important element missing from the analysis is the fraternal birth order effect: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation#:~:text=Fraternal%20birth%20order%20has%20been,will%20have%20a%20homosexual%20orientation.

Having older male siblings makes one 50% more likely to be gay and this increases exponentially for each older boy. Since this is necessarily environmental (though this environment seems likely to be gestational) it provides a clear target approach for parents looking to optimize for heterosexuality.

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I am reading this article and it’s comments with great astonishment. It tries to proof that homosexuality is a mental illness and tells us that this is a apolitical result. As if language is something objective and calling someone having a mental illness has nog subjectivity whatsoever. We are there to reproduce ourselves. That is the truth seen from a biological perspective. As if the biological perspective in itself is free of interpretation, an objective look at live itself. As if saying that when you don’t fit in the norm set by this perspective is an illness is objective and without any consequences. Bringing in the leftish point of view in this article let us see the real perspective of the writer who hopes he won’t be misinterpreted. Well I’m sorry but you are very clear that this so called scientific approach is lacking any notification of awareness that science in itself is not free of value. By making objects of subjects you already start misinterpreting the situation. By ripping out of context of love, live, relationships and attraction to people as a pure reproductive act is really taking things out of its context. There is no prove whatsoever that treatments did no other than harm to people who were thought to be ill by short-sighted people.

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My homosexuality has a horrible genetic cause. I got a Immp2l deletion, which can cause autism or tourette syndrome in some people. It depends which additional genes are affected. Homosexuality is a complex polygenetic phenomen(or caused by prental hormonal imbalance) as tourette syndrom, autism, schizophrenia, adhd etc. it cant be eliminated through evolution.

Currenlly I dont know which maladative genes to this Immp2l gene caused my homosexuality. So at this time my genome gets sequenced again my dante labs.

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Is masturbation a targeting error disorder?

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Is two old people having sex a disorder?

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